In celebration of the 20th anniversary of Harry Potter, Gwen and Frank fall hard for the wise and wonderful Vanessa Zoltan of the Harry Potter and the Sacred Text podcast! We talk Harry and Jane, try the spiritual practice of lectio divina, discuss the healing power of romance novels, figure out Frank’s Tinder profile… get ready for some serious revelations.

Vanessa’s book recs:

• My Name is Lucy Barton by Elizabeth Strout
• Anything is Possible by Elizabeth Strout